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Palin Bucks GOP, Endorses Pro-Lifer

This is a big deal. Sarah Palin essentially goes up against the GOP by endorsing a pro-life candidate on the Conservative Party ticket. That's a big deal. Gateway Pundit has more:

Sarah Palin spoke out in support of conservative Doug Hoffman tonight in New York’s 23rd District race. Via Sarah Palin’s Facebook page:
The people of the 23rd Congressional District of New York are ready to shake things up, and Doug Hoffman is coming on strong as Election Day approaches! He needs our help now.
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8 comments:

Craig said...

Palin and company really, really want to hand a staunchly republican district to democrat Bill Owens.
It doesn't get any better than this.

paladin said...

It doesn't get any better than this.

Um... Craig, you say you're not a troll, but your comment (like many of your other comments) fairly drips with (either affected or unaffected) glee at the prospect that the writer's sympathies with Sarah Palin will be dashed. You're reminding me of the kid on the playground who comes up, yells an insult and "Nyah, Nyah!", and runs away--or hides behind a chain-link fence and keeps taunting.

Since I'm a sucker for trying to convert trolls (at least once or twice), let lay this out for you clearly and pedantically:

Palin and company really, really want to hand a staunchly republican district to democrat Bill Owens.

This is either sarcasm/snark, or it's lunacy. Not only does Sarah Palin not want to "hand over" anything to any democrat (at least, not one that's alive today), but your prediction that the "staunchly republican" district will prefer a squishy RINO to a pro-life alternative is questionable, at best.

It doesn't get any better than this.

Ah. So you, a liberal, are trying to "crow" at a perceived future victory for your abortion-tolerant, homosexuality-"normalizing", Christian-denigrating ideology.

How does this square with your claim that you don't "post contradictory opinions or statements on bulletin boards in an attempt to stimulate a response"?

Now, if you're quite happy to be a troll (behind your denials), then so be it--enjoy, and be ignored by all rational people. But if you were seriously telling the truth about not wanting to be a troll, then find the cure. Trollism is a curable disease, y'know...

Anyway.... back to the regularly scheduled thread, already in progress...

Craig said...

paladin,

Here are some facts:

1.) NY-23 has been in republican hands since 1871.

2.) Registered republicans outnumber registered dems by over 45,000 voters.

3.) Most recent poll:

Bill Owens (D) 35
DeDe Scozzafava (R) 30
Doug Hoffman (C) 23

4.) Obama WON NY-23 in 2008 with 52% of the vote while incumbent Republican John McHugh easily won his seat again with 65% of the vote.

This last bit is important because it seems like republicans and conservatives obviously voted in 2008 but did NOT vote for McCain/Palin.

So what sense does it make to back a losing horse in a race she could have easily ignored in a district that she didn't even carry in 2008?

Her lack of popularity in this district suggests to me that all she has done is cement the rift between the Scozzafava/Hoffman supporters which increases Bill Owens' chances for winning the seat with slightly more than 1/3 of the vote.

Regarding your troll "analysis", get over it.

paladin said...

Regarding your troll "analysis", get over it.

:) Sorry, friend... but troll taxonomy is something of a hobby of mine. You're stuck with it, so long as you keep dragging out your troll suit...

paladin said...

Here are some facts:

Good! Not only factual, but presented without trollish glee or inflammatory nonsense!

1.) NY-23 has been in republican hands since 1871.

Okay.

2.) Registered republicans outnumber registered dems by over 45,000 voters.

Check.

3.) Most recent poll: Bill Owens (D) 35; DeDe Scozzafava (R) 30; Doug Hoffman (C) 23

Mm-hmm. That's probably why Sarah Palin saw the need for "stumping" for Doug Hoffman, true?

4.) Obama WON NY-23 in 2008 with 52% of the vote while incumbent Republican John McHugh easily won his seat again with 65% of the vote.

Right. The "Secular Messiah" dazzled more than a few less-than-grounded people--republicans among them. You *do* know the difference between conservatives and Republicans, right?

This last bit is important because it seems like republicans and conservatives obviously voted in 2008 but did NOT vote for McCain/Palin.

That's plausible. But you attribute that to Sarah Palin, for some reason, and not to the woefully wretched candidate at the top of the ticket. Why?

So what sense does it make to back a losing horse in a race she could have easily ignored in a district that she didn't even carry in 2008?

Perhaps to help that "horse" win? See above, re: your claim that "she" didn't carry the district.

Her lack of popularity in this district suggests to me

...that you've jumped to a very quick and illogical conclusion. You seriously think John McCain's "dud" status had nothing to do with their loss? Do you seriously not remember the revitalization that happened to the stuck-in-the-mud McCain campaign, when Sarah Palin joined? You have a short memory...

that all she has done is cement the rift between the Scozzafava/Hoffman supporters which increases Bill Owens' chances for winning the seat with slightly more than 1/3 of the vote.

Time will tell. For now, check out Sarah Palin's advance book sales, and tell me how unpopular she is.

Craig said...

paladin,

My "trollish glee" is always based on reality. My first comment in this post is fact-based as I proved in my second comment.

Palin-o-mania may be rampant in some parts of the country, but she is obviously not popular everywhere. In fact, in a recent rass poll, she loses to both Huckabee and Romney in head-to-head matchups.

link:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2012/palin_is_distant_second_in_gop_match_ups_with_huckabee_romney

William said...

Craig's not really a troll, Paladin, he's more of the AllahPundit of the blog.

Whenever we get too ra-ra about being Pro-Life or Conservative, he'll be there to make a snarky point. Sure it drives us nuts, but his point of view is often valid enough to give it some thought.

It'll be interesting to see how the race ends up, a "Teachable moment" indeed.

I'm glad SP bet on this horse, it's really a win-win situation for her.

paladin said...

Craig's not really a troll, Paladin, he's more of the AllahPundit of the blog.

:) Hmm.... taxonomically challenging, but possible: "Allahpunditic pseudo-troll". I'll work on it.

Whenever we get too ra-ra about being Pro-Life or Conservative, he'll be there to make a snarky point. Sure it drives us nuts, but his point of view is often valid enough to give it some thought.

:) How big of him.

Craig wrote:

My "trollish glee" is always based on reality.

How nice! You do know, though, that style and content are two different things? Beyond that, see below.

My first comment in this post is fact-based as I proved in my second comment.

Hmm. Let's examine the quote:

Palin and company really, really want to hand a staunchly republican district to democrat Bill Owens.

Hyperbolic idiom, at best; blithering nonsense, at worst. For the record: no, Sarah Palin, et al., do *not* want to hand a staunchly Republican district to Democrat Bill Owens. I fully understand that you're using snark and sarcasm to convey your opinion that "you think it unwise of Sarah Palin, el al., to do so"; but facts are not in plenty, here.

But this is what originally triggered my comments to you, in the first place:

It doesn't get any better than this.

Care to elucidate how this is "fact-based"?

I hope you see my point, now. Feel free to rant and snark away; it's a free blog in a (diminishingly) free country. But don't be surprised if, when picking up troll tools, you get mistaken (or not so "mistaken") for one.

For my money, there *is* something wonderful about watching someone defend the *right* candidate, rather than the "GOP-anointed" candidate (shades of John McCain!).


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